Losing pride, shame, and $7,270
Here it is, the post that many of you have been waiting for. Sadly, this post will likely have a larger view and reading count than other popular posts on Retard Trader like Timothy Sykes psychic detective, Trade Authorization: No, and the lead into this post which is Losing thousands of dollars. The reason for the potential higher reading count, I have failed.
Let me first say that I’m fully aware that failure always has a larger following than success. You can see this is obvious by every person that stares at traffic accidents. Nobody stares at the success of vehicles making it to their destination without incident.
Let me start from the beginning trade of the smallest pain brought about by OE (options expiration) and move through the more painful part.
Back on February 4th, I decided that C (Citigroup) was going to turn positive and announce something spectacular, so I purchased some barely OTM (outta-the-money) calls. The stock was trading at $29.56 when I bought the 25 calls for $.72, which seemed like a good idea at the time. At no point did my position turn to a positive gain though. Maybe in the future I will let that be my gauge for judging when I should sell for a loss instead of riding things into worthlessness (that’s what she said).
Feb 4 the stock closed at $29.22 (36 cents less than when I bought the options).
Feb 5 the stock closed at $27.05 (down another $2.17 cents.. that’s F’ing insane).
Feb 6 the stock closed at $26.92 and would not see $27 again.
Feb 14 the stock closed at $25.74 and hasn’t seen $26. It might not see that again for a while either.
There was a speculative news announcement on C that never made it to fruition. I can’t say much about it because 1) I’m not suppose to know about it and 2) I do plan on trying to play it whenever it does happen.
C took away $1,850 from me.
25 contracts x $.72 = $1,800
25 contracts fees = $50 ($1.00 contract to buy & $1.00 contract to sell/settle)
Total C loss = $1,850
For JCP we are going to have to go all the way to Hong Kong. Well, at least in our minds. That’s where my JCP pain story starts. It was during a time when I was sleeping less than 4 hours a night, as I would watch the U.S. stock markets during the night and help do work for the U.S. office where I am employed (full-time, despite my blogging interruptions). During the day it was working alongside the Hong Kong or China operations, which was a 6 days-a-week job with a minimum of 12 hours work daily.
I was trying to make something happen to my account even if it was just something quick. I figured that I would have a profit, it was during some market action, so a little profit was almost a lock with JCP puts (I thought). Well, it actually was a lock, but unfortunately not all was sold for profit, and then I got stupid.
One week later I was still in Hong Kong and still holding onto the full 20 contract position I had taken in JCP puts. The stock had only moved downward $.78 but the volitility had given me a profit, of which I tried to act upon and actually did get a little gain, on half of my position. I put in a sell for 20 contracts and only 10 sold, meaning that I made a $580 profit on half of my position but would not wind up seeing a profitable time in this trade after that.
From that sell date of January 22nd, the stock would continue to climb upwards. And as time went away, so did the contract value. Yes Squid, I know, I know… “Your position makes money if benefits if volatility decreases“, though you might appear to have nearly perfect hindsight your grammar isn’t dead-on so you might want to think a lot before “doing book reviews or something“.
By Feb OE the JCP puts were worth just a little more than a Thai hooker with A.I.D.S. and morals. Not much at all. Making a profit on half of a position and losing full value on another half doesn’t seem to weigh itself out equally.
JCP took away $5,420 from me.
10 contracts x $5.40 = $5,400
10 contracts fees = $20 ($1.00 contract to buy & $1.00 contract to sell/settle)
Total JCP loss $5,420
Since everything is written on this site regarding my trading for what has gone from being a race to being a contest against myself, this will be no exception. The combined options loss was $7,270, or probably about 90% of my account’s value (or more, I just don’t have the mind to handle the math right now). Can I battle back from this? Yes.. What other choice do I have?
Because I put everything out here, you can tell that I don’t have much shame. While losing this much of my account’s value should also show, I have little pride to ride right now. I’m almost starting the race again, only this time being down a bunch of money.
Now I have less money in my account’s value (no cash, and a Reg T Call for $1,500). I think that I learned what happened to Lindsey when I received this email from my broker:
Our records indicate that you have generated a Reg T Call, a type of Margin Call created when exceeded your 2:1 overnight buying power.
HOW TO MEET THE CALL*:
You may satisfy this call by
Liquidating stocks - liquidation of marginable securities worth 2 times the call amount if the account is not in a Regular Maintenance Call.
OR
Depositing cash or marginable securities
FAILURE TO MEET THE CALL:
If your Reg T Call is not satisfied by the due date, the position that generated the call will be liquidated by the firm. You are responsible for any of the commission fees associated with the liquidation of your securities.
Furthermore, your account will be restricted and you will be required to meet all future Reg T Calls in T+1 (trade date plus one business day) for the next 90 days. If another Reg T Call is generated and is not satisfied during this 90-day period, your account will be frozen and limited to closing transactions only for 90 days.
Wow.. and damn. What kind of crap is this, kicking me when I’m down. I thought about pulling a Lindsey and just waiting for them to make the first move, but figured that they might do something to my blogging ability (isn’t that what happened to Lindsey?). After they called me to indicate they were serious about this, I made a quick liquidation of a holding in another account and satisfied my Reg T Call. Now I’ll have to pull out $1,500 after I made profit in my Retard Trader account so that I can keep things fair for the site’s informational purposes.
Alright now, let the comments come in. Tell me what I did wrong and right, what you would have done differently. I like the constructive criticism and narrative whit, but you can write crap too. Also note that except for some language filtering all comments that are not just spam are approved. Good, bad, and your’s.
15 Responses to “Losing pride, shame, and $7,270”








Overtraded with no hard stoploss in an attempt to hit a homerun.
Been there, done that, still recovering from it.
Keep your head up and start swinging for singles and doubles, which will help rebuild your confidence and your account balance.
Good luck.
Thanks Dogwood, I’ll keep that in mind. Intelligence isn’t usually why I got the nickname “retard”, but I’m probably eventually going to outgrow it.
Clearly, this is OBAT’s fault.
-DT
i think you should try and use stop not to lose all of your hard earn money take a 10 % hit instead of a 100%
dont worry i did alot of my own 100% mistake i think tigh stock keep you alive for a bit longer
Intelligence isn’t usually why I got the nickname “retard”, but I’m probably eventually going to outgrow it.
I overtraded and lost big money three times over six months before I internalized the lesson mother market was providing, but not before losing 50 percent of my day trade account in the process.
The temptation is always there, though, especially after catching a great trade and thinking, “gee, if I had traded five futures contracts instead of two, I would have made blah, blah blah.”
My solution has been to set a default trade size in my trading software (two NQ contracts) and never change it. Once I am consistently profitable trading two contracts, and my account balance has recovered a bit, then I will begin increasing my trading size.
I certainly did not have 20-20 foresight. All three of your trades could have gone your way. The point is we don’t know 100% what will happen. What happened ( three bad trades in a row ), can happen to anyone.
It has happened to me. We have all been there.
For what you did right, the best thing you did was record things on the website. Most people do not keep a trading log and are bound to repeat the same mistakes over and over. You can look back at your blog and see what you did.
Also, you started small, unlike some bloggers like http://boltar1.blogspot.com/ who was margined up and went long 2440 shares of AAPL before January earnings, and has not blogged since.
As for not good, the over trading. A few bad trades can wipe your account out. Trade smaller and re build your account.
“Thai hooker with A.I.D.S. and morals” - ROTFL
squid - The grammar challenged cephalopod
Clearly it is DT’s fault. During the past 2 weeks he has been shopping at JC Penny buying new thongs.
Squid had good advice. Trade small until you can make consistent profits and then slowly increase your size as you gain confidence in your strategies. Your JCP trade was a bit over leveraged.
Squid and obat, you are both right, but you are also wrong. I wouldn’t have been in a position to make that stupid over-leveraged JCP trade if I wasn’t aggressive previously. Check the blog and you’ll see where I’ve gambled nearly my full account previously, and just got lucky and made profit.
I’m defintely going to have to make stops a priority.
Outcomes from trading short term options on large cap names with huge institutional ownership, like C and JCP, are pretty random. Those names are widely owned and extensively analyzed by both buy-siders and sell-siders, so there is a 0% chance that an individual retail guy will EVER have a short term edge without trading on inside information. No matter how much research you’ve done, market particpants with far greater resources and more at stake than you have done even more research. So you never know exactly what’s been discounted in the stock price. In addition, in the short term, price is determined by supply/demand factors that may not reflect the underlying fundamentals. For example, several large players following a similar strategy being forced to sell due to margin calls, termporarily overwhelming willing buyers, as happened with the quant funds in Aug. ‘07; panic capitulation selling like January 22nd-23rd; some stock getting added or dropped from a major index, etc.
Personally, the only option strategies I currently employ are buy/writes (covered calls) or protective puts. It took me a while and several dollars to figure out those were the right strategies for me.
Sorry to sound so pedantic. Just sharing my experience.
Good luck.
But the thing is, had OBAT not changed his blog name from “One Bad Trade” to “One Bad-Ass Trader” thereby gaining mojo while simultaneously removing it from others, this might not have happened.
My suggestion, change the website name from Retard Trader (admitting defeat) to Retard Trader Kicks Ass.
-DT
Thanks for your written thoughts Scott. I would agree with almost everything you said, and if I had a couple hundred thousand dollars in this account I would just make money selling covered options at rates higher than I bought the stock for, making money every time.
What should I be doing now that I’m looking at only having like $2,100 in current options and no cash? Should I just reinfuse my account with another $5k and start over??
writing covered calls is a bad strategy no matter how much money u have…limited upside with the risk of a huge drawdown
gl retard
retard: if u plan on adding more money, have u considered trading the eminis and giving up options…there is nothing wrong with what u r doing if u look at it like vegas…i’m not being sarcastic…i just think its easier to build your account via futures over options
gl no matter what u decide to do
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